"this is america"

more proof of the right wing civil war---

on another show, he got so pissed at the rationalizations for torture that he started slamming his hand repeatedly on the desk and yelling: "We are America!I don't give a rat's ass if it helps. We are AMERICA! We do not fucking torture!!" and they didn't bleep him out--- it's past time we all were that pissed off--- excellent to see it coming out of fox "news"--- go get 'em, shep---
andrew has it right, talking about cliff may (with shep, ab0ve):

What he does not concede, because it might make his head explode, is that the administration he slavishly supported has made and will make torture more prevalent and more justified in every dictatorship on earth. And when these monsters are called to account, they will forever be able to say: America does it. And they will be impossible to refute. It is very hard to put a price on that loss of moral standing. But I'd say it renders the future much darker for humanity; and I'd say that someone soon will be tortured because America helped legitimize it.

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